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Zak Stein: “Values, Education, AI and the Metacrisis”

May 8, 2024

(Conversation recorded on March 21st, 2024)

Show Summary

On this episode, Nate is joined by philosopher and educator Zak Stein to discuss the current state of education and development for children during a time of converging crises and societal transformation. As the pace of life continues to accelerate – including world-shaking technological developments – our schools struggle to keep pace with changes in cultural expectations. What qualities are we encouraging in a system centered on competition and with no emphasis on creating agency or community participation? How is unfettered technology and artificial intelligence influencing youth – and what should parents, adults, and teachers be doing in response? What could the future of education look like if guided by true teacherly authority with the aim to create well-rounded, stable young humans with a sense of belonging and purpose in their communities?

About Zak Stein

Dr. Zak Stein is a philosopher of education, as well as a Co-founder of the Center for World Philosophy and Religion. He is also the Co-founder of Civilization Research Institute, the Consilience Project, and Lectica, Inc. He is the author of dozens of published papers and two books, including Education in a Time Between Worlds. 

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00:00 – Zak Stein works + Info, Civilization Research Institute, Education in a Time Between Worlds, Center for World Philosophy and Religion, First Principles and First Values

03:24 – No Child Left Behind

03;56 – Joseph Tainter + TGS episode

03:53 – Iatrogenic

05:30 – Daniel Schmachtenberger (TGS Episodes), Ken Wilbur, Marc Gafney

16:01 – Effects of screens and social media on teen mental health

16:54 – Marshall McLuhan

17:20 – The importance of adult boundary and limit setting for children

18:17 – How social media affects the brain

19:06 – The rise of ADHD in the 90s and effects on educationa timeline

19:58 – Hypercompetitive primary education systems

20:20 – High level of stress and cheating in primary education

22:28 – Scandinavian school systems

26:27 – Cold war effects on the education system

26:35 – Sputnik

27:25 – Tech elites don’t give their kids tech

28:35 – Elite overproduction, Peter Turchin

34:10 – Your Unique Self

37:28 – Iain McGilchrist + TGS Episode

38:02 – Moral Relativism

43:27 – Foundations of advertising 

47:07 – Negatives of standardized testing

47:22 – Donald T. CambellCampbell’s law

48:57 – Nature vs Nurture Debate

49:20 – Cooperation and competition

52:10 – Effects of a competitive school environment

55:02 – The effects of an above-and-beyond teacher

55:42 – Legitimate teacherly authority

59:55 – Importance of the environment in the first 5 years of life

1:02:20 – John Dewey

1:10:31 – The best way to learn is to teach

1:11:40 – David Graeber, Bullshit Jobs

1:15:25 – How standardized testing increased high education access

1:16:08 – Civilian Conservation Corp, Lawrence A. Cremin

1:17:02 – New Deal

1:22:07 – Risks around artificial intelligence

1:24:58 – Rise of relationships with AI

1:28:41 – First Chatbot ELIZA

1:30:01 – Electricity use of AI

1:37:30 – The Future of Human Nature

1:41:19 – Peak Oil

1:42:29 – Mental Health Crisis

1:46:35 – Correlation of COVID with IQ loss

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Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens is the Director of The Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future (ISEOF) an organization focused on educating and preparing society for the coming cultural transition. Allied with leading ecologists, energy experts, politicians and systems thinkers ISEOF assembles road-maps and off-ramps for how human societies can adapt to lower throughput lifestyles.

Nate holds a Masters Degree in Finance with Honors from the University of Chicago and a Ph.D. in Natural Resources from the University of Vermont. He teaches an Honors course, Reality 101, at the University of Minnesota.