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Just Stop Oil? Part 3: 10 Pathways to Post-Growth

August 7, 2023

Recorded July 30th, 2023

Description

In Part 3 of this Frankly Series, Nate (just after watching the movie Oppenheimer!) breaks down the logic of how we COULD arrive at a post-growth future. Our global situation is complex and not static – IF we somehow are able to shrink the global economic output (which would imply significantly less oil use) we first have to navigate ‘the 4 Horsemen of the 2020s’. Nate outlines 10 possible avenues for how this could happen, not as a prescription but as a description of various possible scenarios. The implications of the complexity of our global systems means a path to a world without our current dependence on growth will not be an easy one. Yet understanding these hurdles between our current situation and an eventual post-growth future is essential to shifting the initial conditions of such a global transformation towards ‘better-than-the-default’ outcomes. How do impending and converging risks narrow our options for ways to move towards a different global system – and can we manage to protect the things that make life worth living?

Show Notes

00:00 – Just Stop Oil !? Part 1 + Part 2

00:07 – Oppenheimer

00:50 – Post-growth

01:20 – Reality Roundtable

03:10 – Mordor Economy

03:20 – The Great Simplification

06:16 – Carbon Pulse

06:22 – The monetary system and it’s claim on real resources

07:38 – We’ve increased debt more than GDP every year for the last last 50 years – now between 350-400% Debt to GDP

09:08 – Nate on Geopolitics and Resource conflicts

09:50 – 6 continent supply chain

09:59 – The average supermarket has 100,000 SKU products

10:14 – Comparative Advantage

10:49 – 85% of US medical ingredients are imported

11:10 – Social contract

11:38 – Dick Gephardt + TGS Episode

11:55 – Just Stop Oil

12:05 – Degrowth

12:15 – Renewables will not be able to fully support the growing global energy needs

12:44 – We are hitting an all time high of coal use

13:00 – Renewables are only adding to the grid, but not reducing totally energy use or carbon emissions

13:30 – ⅔ of our emissions are from fossil fuels

14:49 – Jevons Paradox

15:47 – Japan buying 50% of their own government bonds and stocks

17:36 – Untax.org

19:19 – Buckminster FullerWe’re not going to change the existing situation unless we have something better to look forward to

22:22 – Spite Frankly

More: Global Debt Levels Put Economies And Countries At Risk | Global Finance Magazine (gfmag.com)

Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens is the Director of The Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future (ISEOF) an organization focused on educating and preparing society for the coming cultural transition. Allied with leading ecologists, energy experts, politicians and systems thinkers ISEOF assembles road-maps and off-ramps for how human societies can adapt to lower throughput lifestyles.

Nate holds a Masters Degree in Finance with Honors from the University of Chicago and a Ph.D. in Natural Resources from the University of Vermont. He teaches an Honors course, Reality 101, at the University of Minnesota.


Tags: fossil fuel dependency, post-growth futures, powering down